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Rob McNealy
Today I am talking to Donnie Mack he is with dinosaurs are fake.com. And this is going to be a fun interview today, we’re going to look all about we’re going to learn all about the dinosaur conspiracy theory. Now I’m pretty new to this theory. And I’m not sure I’m buying it all because, you know, I grew up in a science based kind of environment. But, Donnie, welcome to the show. How are you?
Don McEnroe
I’m doing great. How are you, Rob?
Rob McNealy
Good. So I want to say a shout out. I got some swag you sent I got a little dinosaur shirt on. dinosaurs are fake. So I am definitely interested in what you had to say. I love the logos, by the way. So tell me a little bit about yourself. How’d you get involved with this? Where did you come from?
Don McEnroe
You know, I’ve got a background that’s mostly in entertainment. And I don’t I don’t really view The dinosaur site as you know, as an entertainment venture, it’s it is I do view it as scientific and not a conspiracy theory. But, you know, I come from I’m from California, I was born and raised in San Francisco. studied English at Georgetown. And since then I’ve worked in mostly in, in entertainment in mostly in mostly in film. Lot have worked at Netflix for a long time. And or for several years at least. And now I do mostly consulting on the on the creative side, and the and the dinosaurs dinosaurs. I’ve been working on the site for you know, for a couple of months now, but the topic has interrupted me for a few years.
Rob McNealy
So what kind of got you in got interested in this thing? I mean, I just I knew like, you know, I thought I knew everything about You know, I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy or not, but, you know, conspiracy theories, I’m usually pretty well versed, like, you know, I’ve studied them all. And so I just heard about this one. And that’s pretty interesting because it’s like a new new thing for me. So, educate me a little bit what is what is the theory that dinosaurs aren’t real?
Don McEnroe
You know, okay, the, the way I got interested is, was sort of one step at a time. And, you know, how, if you, you know, on on your phone or on your computer, if you click on certain articles, you start to get, you know, typically, that feed starts to appear more and more based on the algorithms based on you know, sort of the sites and browsers and things that you’re using. And, and what happened to me a few years ago, I, you know, I, at one point, I can’t remember which one it was, but I clicked on some dinosaur article and it I believe you know, it’s what I think it was, and it could have it could have been a different one. I think it was a Turandot on find that they were that they were talking about and I read the article, you know, and at the time I believed in dinosaurs, I mean, you know, I was a kid I was bombarded with dinosaur stuff and just didn’t think anything of it, I believe the dinosaurs, but I read this article. And it, you know, internally there were conflicts in the article and I was just sort of scratching my head saying, Okay, this, this is a little little fishy, but it’s just, you know, it’s just one article. These could be something funny going on. And I and the other thing that jumped out at me is I saw the picture of the dig. And, you know, it was a whole bunch of people all you know, standing around happy with their pickaxes, standing by a bunch of stuff and it wasn’t it wasn’t a Turandot on it was just stuff and but they had it in this article with all these pictures of their renditions of what Taran anons look like and You know, they sort of just made it into this. The big thing like it was this big, Turandot on fine. And meanwhile, there’s a bunch of rocks and people standing around with a pickaxe and so, I remember at the time thinking, you know, this is just this is fishy, and, you know, there’s no Turandot on in this picture. And if they found a trend, and why wouldn’t they? Why wouldn’t they show it? Or if they found a bunch of trend about so then what happened to me? So this was a few years ago. And what happened is, you know, since I clicked on that article, and maybe a couple others like it, I started to get a lot of these articles into, you know, into my, my feed on my, on my phone on my computer, where when they had a find, they would, you know, I would see the article and so I would click on it. And, you know, I was in, I was always looking, you know, after a while I just, I just felt like there were too many internal contradictions in the articles themselves about what the people said. But I always also noticed the same thing that would be You know, whenever there was a picture, it, it didn’t look like, you know, it looked to me like, okay, there’s a rock or something or somebody is holding up a rock that is shaped like maybe shaped like a tooth, you know, or something. And, and I was never convinced by the visual evidence. So that’s when I started looking into a deeper and I started to say okay, well what’s what was going on here and I started to look into Richard Allen and Barnum brown and, you know, the rest of the industry and I started to listen to what the paleontologist themselves said, and, and just look really carefully at each find and the practices of the museums. And sadly, you know, because I, I love dinosaurs, I have nothing against dinosaurs. I think T rex would have been really cool if he existed. But sadly, I’m just I’m not convinced. You know, I don’t I don’t think based on the evidence that is put forth and based on the practices of the museums and the paleontologist and so on and so forth. I just don’t think that exist.
Rob McNealy
So that would help and literally like 180 years of like, accepted science to say that dinosaurs don’t exist. There’s museums all over the planets. There’s governments all over the planets that, you know, put money into looking for dinosaurs and fossils. And, you know, just paleontology in general. Why? Why would they be doing this? If dinosaurs were nothing?
Don McEnroe
No. And that’s, that’s what happens. So when you come out and and take the step to say, hey, dinosaurs are fake, or dinosaurs never existed, when, you know, immediately you get blasted with and I’ve only been on dinosaur Twitter for for a month, you know? And, and I was, you know, so I was new to sort of the public discourse before, before I, before I sort of went public with it. This was just me, thinking about it and reading and evaluating but what What happened is when you say that you get immediately hit with the tag of conspiracy theorists you know like like like any any of these any anything that you say is out of the ordinary if you say Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself, you get tagged with conspiracy theorist or whatever. So So I noticed that but I you know, the way I envision the dinosaur you know, what I call the dinosaur hoax or the dinosaur industrial complex, the way I envisioned that evolving wasn’t as a conspiracy theory where a bunch of people sat down and said, Hey, we’re going to make up we’re going to make up dinosaurs and build industries and products and and an academic field around it. Nobody said that. Nobody did that. It you can you know, it was it was a snowball effect conspiracy, but really started with one man, Richard Allen, who was competing with Charles Darwin for attention in the scientific community and Obviously, everybody knows Darwin had a ton of it, and no one had his own fair share. But he wanted more. He was a he was a competitive and very interesting guy. And he was the one who coined the term. And you know, and so I would sort of dispute the notion that it’s bending 180 years of science, it’s bending 180 years of popular thought, based on, you know, based on Richard Allen making up the word and then, you know, suddenly a few years later, after he made up the word and made some drawings and made some, you know, wrote some papers and did some things about what he thought these creatures were, then suddenly, people started finding them, you know, and it’s sort of like, you know, a self fulfilling prophecy if a popular scientist creates an entire category of animals, and there’s money to be made in fossils and books and all the things you know, later on. Obviously later, the bigger industries, the toys, and the and the movies and all that stuff. Certainly that didn’t happen immediately. But I don’t think it was I don’t think it was science. I think it was, you know, popular storytelling started by Ellen. And I don’t think it was a vast conspiracy. I think it was one that just built sort of one person at a time and you had you know, Richard Oh, and starting it and then, you know, so and so building on it with a fine and then suddenly you had characters like farnum Brown out there, you know, magically finding dozens of dozens of fossils, even though he’s, he was also involved in, you know, with the intelligence agencies and with the oil industry. So, so I view it as up ending, storytelling, and 180 years of storytelling regarding dinosaurs and Tyrannosaurus Rex and Brontosaurus which they they change to Diplodocus and Triceratops and all these creatures that they sort of just got into the popular imagination and then pounded home with, with propaganda via storytelling. And, you know, to the point where most people never questioned it because they’re hit so hard with Dinosaurs when their kids don’t have the ability to, to, to step and I was the same way, you know, they didn’t have the ability to kind of step back and say, wait a minute.
Rob McNealy
So you say that they never really saw dinosaurs before until they kind of found the first one. And then people started finding them everywhere. Could that be accounted for? Because maybe they never looked before? And then all of a sudden, they had a reason to go lucky for them.
Don McEnroe
Yeah, it absolutely could have been that’s what happened. I mean, I think that is that accurately. What happened? I would just dispute the notion that they that what they found was actually dinosaurs. So yes, there was a Gold Rush so to speak, or, or an attention rush or a science rush to find dinosaurs, and that would, you know, incentivize people to get out there and do it whereas there they weren’t before, I would just take the next step and say that the that what they did was manufacture the you know, essentially turn you know rocks or or other bones of other animals into into what they wanted to find to fit to fit the narrative that was sort of commercially and academically or quote unquote, scientifically by
Rob McNealy
so I’ve been to a lot of natural history Museum’s along the ways. You know, I go to the Natural History Museum here in my hometown in Salt Lake City. And actually they got all sorts of dinosaur bones and fossils around on display. So if dinosaurs are all fake, would you say that everybody at that museum is actually in on the hoax or they try perpetrate a fraud, then is that I mean, is that because it sounds to me if that’s what’s happening, you know, that they’re all trying to just take people’s money is I mean, would you say that, you know, you know, every natural history museum that’s out there that has these bones on display? are actually they know that they’re fake and they’re putting him on anyway.
Don McEnroe
Now not at all, not at I would not say that at all. I think there are a ton of I would say there are a lot of good faith actors in the dinosaur industry who believe in dinosaurs and have, you know, have have good intentions. I think. I would, I would think, and I have no way of knowing this. This is just a guess. But I would think that, you know, well over half probably well over three quarters, maybe even over 90% of people in the modern. You know where we are today are good faith operators. They believe in dinosaurs. They’re holding up a thing that they really think There’s a tooth of a of a Tyrannosaurus Rex or whatever. I think that the there have been bad faith actors along the way that you know that they get it started and people you know, people are trusting people, people trusted Richard Allen, when he, you know, when he said what he said and sort of created the category people trusted, Barnum Brown who was, you know, very, very obviously, obviously, to me at least I mean, I guess, you know, anybody can debate what they want. But, you know, this guy was obviously a huckster and obviously a fraud. And he was out there, quote, unquote, finding dozens of skeletons of dinosaurs. And so I think that the bad actors are more limited. And there’s a lot of good people and well intentioned people in the industry today that have simply built, you know, and sort of piggyback on stuff that they didn’t necessarily know like everybody else they didn’t necessarily know was a fraud.
Rob McNealy
So would you say that all the fossils that you would see at a museum then they’re all just fake? Like, like completely just not real or do you think they’re Miss identify? Do you think there’s some other kind of animal creature or category that we were, you know, not aware of yet?
Don McEnroe
Yeah, I don’t think there was obviously a lot of in a lot of cases it’s disclosed that the replica so that there they are made or not, you know, it’s not like they pieced together a bunch of, you know, cows and mammoths and giraffes and whatever. And that’s what we’re looking at their it’s known that they’re that we’re looking at replicas, I would just, you know, so my, my position on the replicative themselves, is is not not really that they’re fake. They’re replicas, they’re just they’re myth. It’s a combination there, Miss constructed. They’ve extrapolated, you know, they’ve extrapolated entire animals from something You just can’t extrapolate an animal from and especially when you’re dealing with. Remember, in a lot of cases, they’re making these replicas from rocks because they’re saying, Okay, these these things are 60 million years old, so it’s not a bone anymore, it’s then it’s gone through this process. It’s fossilized. And so, you know, I think in a lot of cases, if, if you’re trying to extrapolate a whole animal from one sample, which believe it or not, does happen, though, they’ll find, you know, one thing that they call a bone or a tooth and build an entire animal around it. I think that, you know, if you’re doing that the, your margin for error is, is just, you know, I mean, your tendency towards error, I should say, is just incredibly high. And you can’t do that you can’t take a rock that you say is a fossilized bone, and then and build an entire, you know, build an entire animal around it with any kind of certainly, especially when you don’t know, you know, there’s no way to know how old it is. And I know they say the good into that, you know, 60,000,065 million years old blah, blah, blah, but you can’t, you can’t date a rock with any with any kind of scientific certainty. You just can’t do it. So I think, you know, again, it’s kind of the same thing. I think that it’s not bad faith all the way around on the displays. I think that, you know, it’s a combination of building into a system that people believe that many people believe in, and that they’ve been, you know, programmed and conditioned to believe. When you when you grow up, seeing shows and movies and books and toys of Tyrannosaurus Rex, to the point that you don’t question it at all. And then you’re tasked with building a model of a T rex for a museum. That you know, that’s based on a bone or a ticket. You don’t feel you don’t really feel any qualms about doing it. At least I would imagine. I’ve never done that.
Rob McNealy
Sure, sure. And and I agree with you, if you’re you’re replicating dinosaurs based on like, you know, a little teeny fragment. You know, I think there there is probably a lot of possibilities that there’s some, you know, margin of error there. So I guess the question I would have, you know, I just kind of understand your worldview of things. I know that in certain religious circles, like there’s a lot of questioning about things like evolution and flat earth and things like that, and I’m not saying you believe those things, but, you know, is some of this you know, are you in? Do you believe in evolution? Do you believe in creation? What would what’s your background?
Don McEnroe
I’m not a I’m not an expert on either of those. I’m not okay. And so, I’m not an expert enough on evolution to say that I believe in it or I don’t believe in it. I don’t really know what the theory is. I’ve never studied in depth enough. I think that you know, from my from My view of things I think that evolution, you know, I think that evolutionary tendencies or evolutionary characteristics are pretty easy to see when you look at different species, or you look at, you know, the way things have gone. So. So I would say without endorsing, I don’t I don’t know, enough to say that I believe in evolution. I just don’t know what that means to say that. But I would say that I do believe that in evolutionary trends or in it in the fact that species have evolved. So in other words, I’m not endorsing any macro evolution theory because I haven’t read enough Darwin to know whether I whether I buy it or not, I don’t I don’t know I never really cared that much about about Darwin. So on evolution, so I would say I don’t know if that makes sense. But I believe in the notion that species evolved without endorsing Any sort of big, big picture or particular theory of evolution, which I don’t know what it is? And on the other question, I’m 100% not coming at the dinosaur angle from a theological perspective at all. I am a Christian. And but I’m not, you know, when I looked at dinosaurs in the first place, I didn’t even realize I’m this far removed, removed from that world. I didn’t realize that there had been an existing debate that that sort of a theological and and that’s just not my angle.
Rob McNealy
Well, that’s what I was going to say is that among the group of what they referred to as young earth creationists where there’s a certain segment of Christianity that believes you know, the Earth is like 6000 years old. So you’re not saying that the earth is only 6000 years old?
Don McEnroe
No, that’s not that’s not my angle at all. My my skepticism towards dinosaurs evolved since Believe from looking at what they said. So like I said, looking at the articles looking at the fines, looking at what they said about, about dinosaurs and just not buying it, you know, it had nothing to do with with any bigger, bigger, you know, theological worldview. And, you know, I don’t know how old the earth is, and it’s not that’s not that interesting to me to even, you know, to try to figure out if the if the earth is 60 million years old or 6000 years old, I don’t know, I don’t really care. It doesn’t really affect me. But what I do care about is if I see sort of what I view as, you know, systemic propaganda being pushed in what for whatever the reason, and and I think that we have this issue with a lot more than than dinosaurs where something is just repeated over and over until you can you know, until there’s no questioning and then they can just sort of get away with saying whatever they want. So that’s, that’s my take on it. It’s not it’s not a theological disagreement, and it’s not a it’s not an attack on evolution. I think that, like I said, I think that you can see evolutionary characteristics and trends in species across the board.
Rob McNealy
Do you think that all fossils are faked or miss identified? So for instance, you know, I know a little bit about rocks in sedimentary rocks, like limestone has all sorts of seashells in it. And would you say that those aren’t actually seashells or those aren’t actually fossils do? Are you saying that fossil the process of what is called fossilization? Is that not a real thing? Or do you think that just some things are fossilized, but some things are not?
Don McEnroe
Yeah, I would think that no, I’m certainly open to the idea of fossils. I don’t have anything I have no reason to believe that there are fossils of This, that and everything that actually existed. So my point is only that the that what they’re saying, you know that that these particular fossils that they’re saying came from and belong to dinosaurs. I don’t buy that. It’s that simple. But in terms of other things being fossilized, sure, why not? I have no reason not to believe that.
Rob McNealy
So do you. So when they say dinosaurs, do you think that some at some point some animals that are not dinosaurs that might just be like big birds might have been fossilized and then call the dinosaur?
Don McEnroe
I mean, whatever they whatever they are, you know, I definitely I think that, you know, there’s obviously animals. I should say, if I believe strongly that there’s animals that existed before that maybe don’t exist today or animals that have been fossilized I’m just specifically saying that I don’t see enough proof for the cat, you know, for this particular category of animals as mostly represented by the popular ones so the T Rex, the Diplodocus Brontosaurus type loans, the Triceratops, you know, I’m definitely open to I mean, we know reptiles exist because we can see him so I’m, I’m open to like, you know different type of reptiles are different type of turtles or whatever you know, or crocodiles or even things that that don’t exist today that you know that existed in the past. I’m open to all of that it’s just I don’t see evidence for these creatures in particular.
Rob McNealy
Okay, I can get that. So, you know, there’s a lot of things. There’s a class that’s, you know, the Extinct Animals called megafauna. Are you familiar with that term? Yes. During the Nice to see an era which would have been the last ice age, you know, 10,000 plus years ago that 40,000 plus years ago. Would you say that those are different than the things that you’re concerned about called dinosaurs? Would you say like megafauna. Like, for instance, they’re uncovering, you know, you know, 567 thousand year old things in the tundra up in Siberia, of different types of animals and dogs that don’t exist today and mammoths and things like that. Would you say that those are real or those part of the dinosaur coax as well?
Don McEnroe
No, I never said I would say that, you know, and I haven’t done a deep dive on on mammals but I would be inclined to believe I would be inclined to believe them because in them because of the what I’ve heard, and I haven’t seen statues of my own eyes, but when I’ve heard about the quality of the preservation also, it’s a very believable animal in the sense that we you know, we know elephants exist and we can so we can extrapolate and say okay, you know, this, this would make sense if if something like this This woolly mammoth and also we have a nice specimen of it here. And the story lines up so, so absolutely, I think that, you know, it goes, it goes back to it comes back to the quality of the evidence and and just just, you know, the fact that that, you know, it makes sense. And we’re not asked to make a leap from Oh look, here’s a here’s a rocker or something that we’re calling that to or a theme or whatever and boom, there’s a big, you know, Dragon like lizard, you know, that, that walks on two legs and has, you know, sort of the all these characteristics imputed by Island, you know, so, absolutely, I’m open to mammoth to different kind of dogs, all that stuff.
Rob McNealy
So you’re saying that dragons can’t exist either because that’s going to really make me disappointed as dragons.
Don McEnroe
Well, that’s that’s what everything but I mean, you know, I’m not going to go so far as to say that dragons don’t exist because I I don’t know. But but I’ve never seen proof. I hadn’t seen proof of them. I you know, same with giants. I can’t say that there were there were no giants. But I can’t say that I have proof that they existed either.
Rob McNealy
So I know you’ve raised concerns before about like a massive meteorite strike. Do you believe meteors exists?
Don McEnroe
Sure, sure. I think. I don’t think meteors are out of the question. You know, what the problem that I have is with the growth of the particular Meteor theory that now is prevalent on, you know, in the dinosaur industry where, you know, if you look back at the literature, it wasn’t that long ago that people would say, well, we don’t know how the dinosaurs went extinct. It was it was an unsettled question, and I’d have to go back to put an actual date on it, but it wasn’t that long ago. And suddenly, something happened, you know, in whatever period of years these last year, I don’t know if it’s five years. 10 years. 15 years. But were they they settled in on this theory that it was definitely a meteor that killed the dinosaurs. And that I don’t by, by the possibility of a meteor hitting the planet. I 100% Do Not Disturb. Do not by the fact that it’s conclusive that a meteor struck the planet and wiped out this whole class of animals that we just you know that Richard Allen, essentially, whatever you want to call it invented in 1841 1842. I don’t I don’t see how we get there. I’ve read a lot of stuff about it. I’ve read a lot of what they what they put forth. I just don’t get there.
Rob McNealy
Have you done any public debates with anybody in the industry?
Don McEnroe
You know, I have, I have not this is my first podcast I’ve done it was my first you know, sort of public speaking on dinosaurs. I started the dinosaur Twitter account a year ago. I’m sorry, a month ago, I started looking into dinosaurs, you know, only a few years ago. So I’d be happy to do it. I’ve seen you know, I’ve watched some of the YouTube stuff of you know that there was a guy on Joe Rogan, I forget his name, but he was he was a paleontologist, it was debunking a different guy that said, dinosaurs don’t exist. And, you know, I’ve just got a little, you know, I’ve got a little different take on it from sort of the people that I see out there. You know, for the reasons we talked about I don’t have a an anti evolution bias. I don’t have I’m not making a theological argument. It’s it’s more of an empirical argument based on you know, what is being put forth directly by the industry. So I’d be happy to do it. I just haven’t done it. This isn’t you know, this is I’m partly doing this for fun and, you know, it’s it’s something that it just You know, we live in this, this mass media era where things become truth through repetition. So this is just one little attempt to say, you know, Hey, wait a minute, this this story that everyone’s been hammering home for the last hundred and 80 years, it might not be true and what else is true? It’s kind of one of those things. So I haven’t debated anyone publicly, but I’d be happy to do it.
Rob McNealy
Well, that’s one of the reasons that I wanted to talk to you in the first place is that, you know, oftentimes the the people that are espousing what would be considered anti science perspective on you know, something that most people considered settled science, right, even though I hate the term settled science personally, because science is a process. But you know, when they come from a religious background or religious bent on these things, it’s really it is easy to dismiss them out of hand of having their own, you know, faith based bias. And so that’s why I was interested in talking with you because I did I mean, when I first started looking at your Twitter account and stuff, I’m like, okay, I’ve never heard this before. This is kind of a new thing to me. And so but you weren’t espousing the normal, you know? Oh, well the earth is 6000 years old. Okay, well, okay, well we can fundamentally right there that kind of disqualifies people in my mind, or when they say the earth is flat. You know, I think to me that that makes me a little more skeptical. But you’ve come off from an you know, a more of an empirical perspective. And so it’s intriguing to me To be honest, I I’m gonna look more into this this this belief because I’m it’s just kind of new to me.
Don McEnroe
Yeah, yeah. Now and it turns me off, too. I mean, I you know, but I think here’s the interesting thing. I think that’s what’s being used against me more you know, for example, I i’ve never, you know, I the Twitter’s pretty young, you can go back and I mean, you’ve seen it, but the amount of times that you know, I make put forth an arguments say, hey, look, you know, I’ll post an article and say, this, this this doesn’t add up. This doesn’t make sense what they’re saying. And oh, by the way, this picture is baloney. Right? Then what comes back at me is Oh, you’re a flat earth or you’re a religious fundamentalist or whatever. And I’m kind of like, you know, now are you are, you know, they’re bringing up the moon or, or they’ll bring up, you know, stuff that has nothing to do with what I said. And so it’s interesting, because I think, in my case, the shoes on the other foot in the sense that the arguments that are being used back at me are either just hand-waving, like, no, it’s, you know, everybody knows dinosaurs existed for 180 years, or attacks based on things that have nothing to do with. And so, so I think that, that it’s interesting, because I’m not I’m not interested in theological debates, there’s I mean, I am in different context, I can maybe you know how to have that discussion, but that’s not what this is. And I interested in what people in the industry are posting and saying that they found and the evidence for it. And you know what I, you know, when I really started looking into it, I was very shocked as a guy who grew up believing in dinosaurs having no reason not to believe in dinosaurs because they quote unquote, day, you know, were telling me that these existed. I was shocked at how flimsy the evidence is. And it’s really, you know, it’s really that simple for me.
Rob McNealy
So are you blacklisted from any museums?
Don McEnroe
Yeah. They always check my pockets on the way out because you know, they, they can joke about that, but I’m not blacklisted from from anywhere. I did. I did get I don’t want to say roughed up by you know, I was out at the archives in London trying to read Richard Allen’s papers. And they gave me a pretty good thorough checking on my bag, my bag and everything on the way out the door. mature I wasn’t trying to steal anything, which I wasn’t. So I’m not not blacklisted people you know, most people keep a pretty good spirit about it and I’m not you know, I’m not attacking anybody or or whatever. Most people there are a few people that get really angry right away and start screaming and yelling about flatter or the moon or, or science denier or whatever, but most people are like, you know, though, they’ll listen to, you know, to what you have to say. And when, and obviously, if you you know, if you say something stupid, they’ll say, hey, that’s stupid. And, and I’m comfortable with that kind of back and forth because then I can say the same thing when I see someone holding up, you know, an object and claiming it’s something that I just don’t see how it is. Then I want the right to be able to say, you know, I’m not buying that.
Rob McNealy
One last question. Is Pluto a moon or Pluto a planet?
Don McEnroe
Look, I mean, simply Pluto is a planet because he was upon it and and, you know, I don’t know if you want to hear my reason for it, but it’s, it’s really just because I grew You know, when I grew up so there was a planet and I don’t have any reason to change that I haven’t done a deep dive into into it. And, you know, I sort of like to still hold on to things that, you know, that I was told, and that I believed as a kid, you know, to as long as I can, unlike dinosaurs.
Rob McNealy
Well, you and I can hang out then because as a Gen X or I still believe I’m in team planet Pluto. So that’s kind of my litmus test. You know, it’s not you know, it’s not a moon it’s planet. So. So, Donny, where can people find out more?
Don McEnroe
You know, on, on our Twitter is @DAF1842. And that’s for the year the dinosaurs were invented. Our side is dinosaurs are fake.com. And we have a little bit of writing up there. But we’ll be we’ll be posting some stuff, you know, periodically, every single post on Twitter here and there. And we’re going to be doing some more deep dives in terms of our of dissecting articles that are put out there by the paleontology industry, and just sort of calling out some of the, you know, some of the things that they assert without what we would call basis. And so we’ll be out there just just, you know, trying to get the message home to question these things and question What question what you’re told.
Rob McNealy
Donnie, thank you so much for coming on the show today. I’ve had, I’ve had a really good time and I live think I’ve got something else to look at now.
Don McEnroe
I do appreciate it. I’ll talk to you soon.
Rob McNealy
You have a good day.
Don McEnroe
All right.