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Rob McNealy
Cloud. Today we’re talking to Tim from bits and tokens, which is a company based in Florida. I think you’re out of Miami, right, Tim?
Timothy Robinson
Yeah, we work out of the blockchain Center in Miami.
Rob McNealy
So cool. Well, you and I met few weeks back in Las Vegas and did some partying together, which was kind of a hoot. You guys are definitely like half my age and and I had a hard time keeping up. So tell me, what’s your background? Where did you how did you get it back into crypto? How long you been in the space can I can just for our audience, because our audience is not just a kind of a crypto audience. So tell me a little bit about, you know, kind of how did you get here?
Timothy Robinson
So as far as crypto, I’ve always been a really big nerd. And this website still exists, but it’s not what it used to be back in the glory days. There’s a website called hackaday. com, where every day is like a blog every day, they would post the new hacker a new, you know, technological advancement or whatever. And then one day way back in the day they posted about this wacky thing called Bitcoin and I didn’t know you know a lot about it that a little bit more research and then kind of fell in love with what it was supposed to be failed at mining a few times and just kind of gave up, you know, two three years and then kind of got back into it. And then I met one of the other co founders of this and tokens Jerome and he also knew about Bitcoin cryptocurrency and we decided, hey, let’s do a podcast and then I have this habit of just kind of spending way too much money. So I ended up you know, instead of a podcast, I bought lights, cameras action, and we kind of just blossomed into this media company that we are today. Right around, I guess 2017 when the Ico Boom was kind of dying. It was really hard for actual reputable companies to find a media company that would work with them and not charge them an arm and a leg. And we had all the equipment. And we were friends with lots of these companies. So we decided, let’s just go, we’ll just work with them. And they recommended us to their friends and friends of friends. And here we are today with this huge network of companies that we work with.
Rob McNealy
Well, I think you bring up a good point, you know, we as a project been around a couple years to and this is one of the things that I’ve tried to explain to people but why crypto, I think is some way be held back by itself is that you know, during late 2017 in early 2018, when that whole Ico rush was going nuts. companies were raising insane amount of money. And the people these startups that were raising this amount of money also didn’t handle money very well. So they would literally throw money at anything that moved in, I would contend that Non Non, you know, in ways that were they didn’t get a good ROI or they didn’t think about the ROI. So what happened is all these vendors that kind of were catering to crypto startups and blockchain projects just literally gouge the snot out of anything. And so I think that’s what you’re kind of looking at, or kind of addressing there is the fact that a lot of these, you know, vendors were just charging just astronomical rates that they couldn’t get in any other industry. And it’s just because there were just so much, you know, stupid money being spent and floated around. And I think that’s still happening. I think it’s still happening. To some degree, though. It’s gotten a lot better, I would say over the last two years, and that’s part of the problem with like listing fees, and things like that. And so, the the problem with that is, is that very few legitimate projects were an hour I think it’s getting better now, but even Now, it’s still all pay to play influencers, you know, conferences, things like that. What is your take Ben on that, you know, do you think it’s still all pay to play? Or do you think that’s kind of getting better from what you’re seeing?
Timothy Robinson
No. So unfortunately, fortunately, unfortunately, however you want to look at it. I know, exchanges, personally, some of the people who work at various exchanges and their listings these, it doesn’t make sense at all, for someone who’s trying to be a currency. You know, maybe if you’re if your utility token a paying 10% of your tokens, the total supply to one exchange, that might make sense if it’s a major exchange, it gets you a lot of exposure, whatever. But a lot of these exchanges are charging 10% of the total supply of your token just to list you, which doesn’t really I mean, you’re not doing your end users any good by giving one entity 10% of the total supply. So it’s it’s a, it’s a big problem still, I think. But there are some exchanges that are doing good in the world and not, you know, trying to charge these crazy numbers. A change angel is one of them. That’s a really good kind of newish exchange. I don’t think they’re listing fees or anything crazy like that. And they actually work with the projects that are listed there and give them some money back from the fees. So I think that’s kind of a better model that we’re leaning towards now. And then some of these exchanges that are asking for these crazy amounts of money. I think we’re going to start seeing that slow down, hopefully in the near future.
Rob McNealy
Well, I think part of the problem is I think the and not trying to, you know, be discriminatory, but the Asian exchanges seem to be the worst from that and they also seem to be the exchanges that have the most fake volume. So you know, I’m entrepreneur and I’m, I’m a bootstrapping kind of entrepreneur. So every decision every dollar I make, or I’m going to spend, I’m going to be very, very keen on looking at the ROI on that decision. So, you know, we is we’ve talked down and when we were, you know, Vegas together, you know, I was telling you how we just, you know, swapped over. And we’re now getting ready to do a main net with our blockchain that we’ve been working on for over a year. And so I’ve had to re engage, you know, so, you know, it’s interesting having to do this twice, because like, as a token, we spent the first six months trying to get on any exchange, but we didn’t do an Ico so we didn’t have these listing fees. So we were kind of relegated to, you know, really obscure small startup exchanges redexes. But now, so I kind of knew the process like two years ago, and now it’s like funny because we have to go through the process all again, because now we have a chain and it’s harder as a chain than it is a token because they actually have to do some work to integrate it. And so um, I’ve been talking to exchanges lately. Yeah. It’s funny because now we have better tools now out there to evaluate exchanges. And I think if any of this is going to change is that projects need to say no, especially good projects, to those listing fees. So I, I’ve been talking to one exchange recently. And what they want from us is 25 grand, and they want a billion Tusk is what they just I just got this yesterday in my inbox, a bill. That’s like, yeah, as a listing fee, and that’s like, 2% of our supply or something. And the funny thing is, as an exchange, or I’m sorry, as a community project, I don’t even have I don’t even have control to give that right. It’s like, we have to put everything up to a vote of the community whether we would spend that and it’s funny because this is Asian exchange. And then on top of that, this exchange has notorious if you like a coin geckos, you know, rating, their volumes are completely BS. And so there are They’re only like a, you know, couple million dollar a day exchange. And I can’t justify in my brain or as an entrepreneur or as a steward of the task, you know, is I believe that if I’m involved with, you know, helping lead a project, even though it’s not my money, it’s the network’s money, right? Or if there’s, you know, fees and stuff, but if I make a recommendation that the project spend some of that money, I believe I have to do my diligence and make sure that I’m acting as a good steward of those resources, even if it’s not mine. Right. And I just, I can’t I can’t justify that because they’re exchanges. If one they’re not trustworthy to me if you’re inflating your values by a huge amount, right? And, you know, that’s fraud. I just start there. It’s fraught, so you’re trying to make yourself look better. And I think I think part of the problem is, is with a lot of these exchanges, is that their business model is listing fees because they don’t really have enough time. actual volume to make any money from trading. And so there so the business model is the listing fee. And to me, you know, it’s harder right now because there’s a lot of exchanges that are really have legitimate volume, they’re not faking. The problem is, those exchanges don’t charge listing fees, but they also won’t take a risk on a startup project or a newer project, they want you to have some, this is the catch 22 they want you to have some kind of track record. So you have to give you so you have to pay listing fees on shitty or mid mid level exchanges, before the bigger exchanges will even take a risk on you. So it’s kind of like it’s a tough position for like a community project or an actual legitimate project, not just some hype token Ico nonsense, but a project that really has potential it’s it’s just kind of hard, you know, to be in that spot. What to me if you know the whole point of getting on exchanges, part of Is that it makes it easier for the people that want to use our, you know, coin to buy and sell. So there’s more on ramps, more liquidity. That’s, that’s the whole point, right? So if I’m evaluating an exchange, we have to look at it as what are they going to bring to our project, and if they’re really not going to bring any more volume, or any volume to the project, because they’re faking, and I can’t justify recommending to, you know, the test community that they spend the money on listing on that, and so, it’s interesting, you know, and I’m glad that like, coin Gecko has a really, really good setup. They’re like, they’re like kinda like coin market cap, but they’re kind of newer and a little smaller. They are live interest they have a I love playing yakka I’ve interviewed their CEO before the guy will email me back like he’s, it’s funny because I can get to the president of that company. And he usually emailed me back personally within a day every time I’ve ever emailed them. And, you know, try to get ahold of somebody claim market cap. Let me know how that goes.
Timothy Robinson
They respond back on Twitter about about stuff I’ve had that experience.
Rob McNealy
Well I think part of the problem is and I’ve talked to a lot of people and I’m not here to bad mouth you know anybody because that’s just not my thing but you know coin market cap has there I don’t know if they’re always acting and good face and you know they they’ve been the leader right so they’ve been the big dog for forever. So everybody looks at them and being unclean market caps like kind of a litmus test for a lot of people. So if your project isn’t unclaimed market cap your garbage but then on the other hand, you’ve run into that same kind of problem is that you know, the way you get tracked on coin market cap now you have to be on some exchanges, and you have to pay stupid listing fees for those exchanges. And some of those exchanges that coin market cap requires have questionable volumes. So you know, what do you do you know, The waste 100 grand to get on an exchange that probably won’t add any value to your project, just so Queen market cap will list you Is that fair? You know, that’s the kind of thing that I get a little frustrated with with this community in general or this industry is because for crypto to grow that shit needs to stop. To be honest, this shit needs to stop. Anyways, I’m sorry I’m ranting right now anyways, about..
Timothy Robinson
These exchanges are for the most part where people first go to look to buy different crypto currencies, obviously, you know, you have some on ramps like coin base, which it’s almost impossible for you to get on coin base and you know, etc, etc. But from there the next place are these exchanges. And you know, from there, if the exchanges are making it hard for actual real projects with a real use case to get lifted, this also than making it hard for people People that are trying to get into crypto to actually get into crypto. So as someone who’s a big proponent of adoption, I’m right there with you.
Rob McNealy
Well, I mean, think of it like that. Right, like, so the system, I believe does have an air of corruption to it. And both, you know that and, you know, I’ll just say I’m here for the tech. I am here for the tech. Sure What I love to have a Lambo Sure, you know, but you know, my driving force is after we’ve been building for two years, you know, our focuses, and we got a plan to get adopted, and we’re making huge strides in that direction. But to me, it’s like, it’s almost like you have like a cartel in some ways of bad actors that do control what people are seeing where people that are new to crypto are seeing. So one of the things that I think is the future because I actually am a big proponent of decentralization. And one of the things that I think is going to be the future and there’s no way to track this and as a project, unfortunately, Got to look at if I get on an exchange, you know, one, are they a reliable exchange but to have a properly tracking volume so people can have an accurate picture of what your project is or is not doing. Mom right now I like like you mentioned earlier change Angel, by the way, I’m interviewing their founder next week. So I’m already on those guys. But there’s like, the top. Yeah, but I think his name’s Ben. And, and so I’m going to be talking to the change. And you guys next week. And one of the things I think the future as far as I see it, I’d like to see more control of the industry getting taken away from the exchanges. And I think the atomic swap app community, which seems to have really exploded over the last six months, you know, you get vert base and you got change Angel and fast and a bunch of these others that are now coming into the market. I think that that is the future where you don’t have to go through an exchange. You just can go through an app and and switch between tokens and to I think that goes back to the heart and the root of decentralization. So, but the problem is as a project so here’s another one of those catch 22. Right, I see the world through being a project now both as a token and as a coin. Right. So I have kind of a weird experience, you know, seeing it is that there’s really not a way for projects that are on those decentralized, you know, atomic swap apps, their volume of how much is moving through there isn’t tracked, you know, by these decks or laser trackers like coin market cap and coin Gecko. And I think there’s some reasons for that. They say that, you know, the, the volume from those is coming is actually being put through different exchanges. But I think to me, that’s kind of I think that’s where the future should be. But there’s not a mechanism to really as a project to track those kind of more on chain transactions versus just what’s, you know, happening on exchanges. I mean, what do you think about the comic swap apps like, you know, we’re pace and change Angel and those things.
Timothy Robinson
While I’m a big fan of them, because, you know, if, if I’m a merchant or not even a merchant, if I’m just anybody and I sell something, and your preferred currency is not specifically my preferred currency, I don’t have to turn down that fail. If I know that there’s an app where I can easily go and just swap it out. And I’m not really losing a ton of money in fees. That That makes a lot of sense to me apps like that. So I like you said, I think that’s more. I don’t know, if decentralized exchanges or these atomic swap type apps, you know, which which of the two is going to be you know, what people look towards in the future but what one of the two is going to win out over these exchanges? For sure.
Rob McNealy
Yeah, I’m a big fan of I’m the one hoping that happens because I think there’s too much power consolidated and concentrated in too few too few hands right now. But You know, I still think we’re really early in this space. And I think that there’s just a lot of things shaking out. So besides the fake volume that we’re seeing out there, what other things do you see as being like impediments to adoption?
Timothy Robinson
Just not having access, for example, like, you know, binance shut down. And that was a major exchange that we were all using. And then they came out with binance. us except for Florida, and you know, some other places. So I still can’t use binance in the US, because it’s not yet in the state of Florida. So the issue that I see is that there’s not uniform ways where, you know, in the United States at least I can’t speak on other countries because I don’t live there but in the United States is not uniform on ramps and off ramps for people to accept crypto and then cash that crypto our they need us dollars. Again, obviously for us, the main goal is to get crypto and stay in crypto. But you know, for the average person who doesn’t know how to pay their rent with Bitcoin or, you know, do groceries, you know, with crypto or whatever, you know, they might want US dollar again. And it’s, there’s not an easy way there’s, there’s regulatory uncertainty, which doesn’t make sense. You know, and so I just I feel like there just needs to be something simple. That makes sense. You know, when when you when you go to your bank, they don’t teach you about all their encryption and tell you about what kind of locks they use on the ball. You just trust that your money is safe. You don’t know the technology that keeps it safe and you’re fine. And that thinking kind of got people in trouble because now money is just being printed crazy, but it’s easy for them. They go they set up a bank account, they see a smiling face, they’re happy they swipe a card, they spend their money once crypto reaches that level. There’s not going to be an excuse anymore not to use it, not to accept it, not to embrace it.
Rob McNealy
I agree, I think you see this a lot with like, people bring up volatility, right, like I would accept, you know, XYZ crypto if it wasn’t volatile. But I always point out, you know, and then they say, you know, use a stable client, I am not a fan of stable coins whatsoever. And I got my own reasons for that. But one of the things that I say is look is, you know, crypto is so volatile right now, because people aren’t using it for buying and selling goods and services, you know, in any real degree. Everybody’s just speculating on crypto right now. And that’s what’s driving the volatility. You know, you know, fiat currencies, I mean, us, you know, what’s the US dollar peg to right, the US dollar is the most stable, you know, fee out in the world right now. And it’s, it’s very stable, and it’s stable because it’s being used and it has huge liquidity, whereas other fiat currencies around the world are not, you know, they’re They get very volatile very quickly when people lose faith in them, and they don’t use them anymore. And I think, you know, once crypto starts getting adopted, I think it’s going to stabilize out, it just means it’s just going to have to actually be used for things other than investment purposes. And I think that’ll happen in time. But to me, I’m not a fan of stable coins. What do you think of stable coins I like I always hear people’s opinions on those.
Timothy Robinson
There’s only one stable coin that I kind of agree with. From my understanding the partnership with coin base and circle or whatever it is to make us DC. My understanding with that is us DC is only mental because it’s a mental token. But it’s only minted when someone actually buys it. And then it’s destroyed when someone cashes it back out from my understanding of it. And I think that’s exactly how stable coin should work if it’s going to be stable and it’s going to be pegged to something every single time. It’s purchased, it should be minted. And then when it’s cashed out, it should be destroyed. I think as far as stable coins that’s one of the only ones that I actually agree with. The fact that tether is even considered part of the crypto market cap kind of infuriates me because they can literally just print whenever they want. There’s so many different versions of data there’s ERC 20 there’s a tether that’s based on Bitcoin, there’s a Tron version of tether now that it’s just, it’s crazy. They can just meet whatever they want, and it’s supposedly as money. Well, we don’t know that. I think that’s crazy. But the way that Coinbase does it, I don’t agree with everything Coinbase does, but I think they’re doing stable coins, right. If I had to pick one, that’s the one I would say.
Rob McNealy
Well, I mean, that’s a much better way to do a stable coin. I think the problem is with tether and so many others is that they just got this random artificial peg and you know, I mean, you could even make, you know, you’re going to talk about maker as well but, you know, it does maintaining that are Artificial peg with bots is just really ripe for being undermined or imploding. And, and corruption is what we’re seeing, at least with, you know, the lawsuit with Tether, you know, out of New York, you know, I’m not an attorney, but you know, I do look at some of those docs, you know, documents and pleadings, and I’m just like, This just looks like one big cluster F of corruption all the way around. And in, you know, you got guys that probably shouldn’t be in the financial world whatsoever, you know, being in charge of things that are worth billions and billions of dollars that they’re just making out of nowhere. And it’s like, I don’t see how that’s better than the dollar To be honest, or any kind of corrupt government, you know, issuing ci that will it just seems like the same thing to me.
Timothy Robinson
So, I like what you said, I’m going to kind of add on to that a little bit. I saw a quote the other day from someone who was saying, like, you know, why should we Why should we trust crypto currencies and why why aren’t we trusting you know, government to make the money for us. And it was you know, someone said like the nerds that made the internet which is the most amazing thing ever also made cryptocurrency the government made this money that has depreciated over time like Which one do you trust more? So I’m what I mean by that is I’m kind of okay with the nerds you know experimenting and figuring things out for a little while but we do need some we do need some order. A little bit but I think as as someone who’s like a really big like, you know, I’m okay with with capitalism just existing in its purest form. I think with how trustless cryptocurrency is, and with me being okay with capitalism like that, I think we’re going to figure out which money is sound money and which is not. And unfortunately, for tethered i don’t i don’t think that that sound money. And I think that anyone that looks at it from a trustless standpoint, you know, actually very terrifying things on chain can kind of see that tether is not really something that we should put our faith in. So certain things like that will get shaped out. Over time, I’m not I’m not overly concerned with, you know, scammy projects and stuff like that because crypto is kind of forcing people to get smarter and to learn more. And even though, you know, like I was saying it needs to be easier for everyone else to kind of get on board. I think the people that are here now are doing a terrific job of managing what projects make sense and which ones don’t. And kind of informing the rest of us and that’s, that’s why we exist, to educate and, you know, make videos and teach people about stuff. And that’s why you do what you do as far as you know, interviews and talking to real people in the industry that are actually doing something so well. What about it?
Rob McNealy
Well, that’s why I’m talking to you because, you know, I believe that you can learn a lot by somebody by just meeting them face to face. I like I like to develop personal personal relationships with people. And I’m a pretty good breed of people in general. And I got a really good built bullshit detector. And I think the markets already changing, the crypto world is changing, it is getting better. It’s not quite there yet. And I think we have these centralized Oracle’s right now telling us, you know, in maybe with some corruption and you know, conflicts of interest, what is a good project, but what I think is going to happen, and what has to happen is how we evaluate a crypto project needs to change. And I think it’s going to change and I’m a simple guy, you know, I am not a developer, I don’t claim to be a developer. I’m an entrepreneur, and I’ve been an entrepreneur, fairly successful my life, you know, and what I still I’m a simple guy, right? People can come up with these really complicated models that I don’t understand. And this is what I find. The more complicated the model is, the more likely it’s not gonna work and fail and more likely, it’s going to be corrupted. And then on top of that, to me when it comes to business, whether it’s a crypto project or any kind of startup, right, at some point, things like paying customers and sales numbers kind of have to be part of that equation. And to me, ultimately, even if you have the greatest tech, you still need to have a market for that tech. You know, and, you know, I always kind of see when, you know, I know a little bit about angel investing, right? And you know, in the angel investing world when you you know, which have very, very much smaller raises on just in general, especially in early stage startups and what these crypto Icos are racing, right, you know, angel investors, you know, they might invest you know, 50 grand, hundred grand, a couple hundred grand at a seed stage business, and to go and the diligence they do to invest that small amount of money in comparison, is they do background checks on the founders like criminal background checks. They have a whole resume on the founder. They do credit checks. I’m the founder. They not they have not just a white paper but they actually have a business plan which talks about how that entrepreneur can get to market and get customers and and things like that. And to me when we were looking at Ico world, you got people that have scrubbed LinkedIn. So they’re 40 years old, and they’ve only been had jobs for three years according their LinkedIn. So you don’t know what the guy was doing three years ago, which is a big red flag. You don’t they don’t have any kind of like, you know, go to market plan. They’re just like, here’s a white paper, we got something nifty. We’re going to put XYZ on blockchain. And that was insane. You can’t invest like that. That’s insane. And and so a lot of people did lose a lot of money because it was insane to invest in things like that. But I think it’s changing now. And I think as we look to reevaluating the the value of a project, and we have different metrics applied, I think crypto will will be a more mature and more acceptable industry but we have to get there. You know, it can’t just be about, oh, they got 1200 people in their telegram group, they must be a good project when you know, some guy paid you know, bounties to get, you know, three guys in the Philippines to go set up 100 or, you know, 100 or 1500 accounts, you know, to join it and which that’s what’s happened, right? These people are raising money on fake Twitter follower numbers, which is crazy. Anyways, I’m ranting again, you know, I have an opinion about this.
Timothy Robinson
And it’s about opinion. I’ve seen, I’ve seen too many bounty programs where it has nothing to even do with the project. You know, like, like this tweet from this person, retweet it and you get, you know, 500 tokens, join the telegram 1000 tokens and it’s like, Okay, what do these tokens even do You know, what is your project about? I see more about the bounty than I do about the actual development. And I would, I would rather have it the complete opposite way, you know, have be all about the project and not about, you know, the actual bounty itself. There’s a bounty that exists. You know, that’s cool. But it should be like sharing, share the white paper with your friends and get their opinion about it. So I don’t know, like something that actually makes sense towards that particular project instead of just like, show us and we’ll give you fake money that we’ve created.
Rob McNealy
Yeah, well, I mean, that goes back to kind of like, you know, getting investors and, you know, goes back to the metrics, right. So the incentives were geared toward the metrics that people were either raising money on or getting on exchanges with and the size quote unquote, the size of the community is one of those metrics that the exchanges look at, but the problem is a lot of those followings are dead or fake. So it’s, you know that I think that’s what drove that. And hopefully it I think it’s going to change at some point has to change because it’s just not the real world. It’s fraud. It’s just make believe. And I, you know, with our project, you know, I actually spend more of my time in the industry we’re focused on rather than just the crypto space. And, you know, I do see that I actually talked to potential customers and potential retailers in our space. And the things they keep bringing up to me is, you know, it’s volatility is one of them. But the the most important one is that they think that they think crypto is a scam because of the industry has a really negative stigma attached to it. And I think unfortunately, it’s because so much of the industry has been a scam. That doesn’t mean that there’s not really really amazing opportunities for legitimate crypto projects to change the world. And I think that will happen. I don’t know which projects they’re going to be that do that, but I think it’s going to happen how to happen but I think the things that you guys are doing with bits and tokens are you know, and hopefully what we’re doing with what I do you know, we’re going to hopefully be a part of that. So little bit more about you, you know, you guys so you guys do a podcast you guys have a media production company What else do you guys do? What exactly would be the services say I was going to hire you for something, what can you do for me?
Timothy Robinson
So we’ve got a lot of things for people basically the way that I like to put it we can be as full service as necessary when it comes to media. So let’s say for your project for example, you know, someone should be focused on just developing and making it the best that they can make it and then someone else should do the social media the you know, marketing aspect, the actual media for it, you know, graphics, video, things of that nature, for wires will have you. So we do things like that. But then also we have hosted multiple events across the country. People will pay us for like emceeing doing az, you know, audio visual stuff. So, live streaming events and making sure the audio and like slideshows or, you know, appropriate for the appropriate time. You know, interviews. I mean, our list of services is so big, but pretty much anything that involves, you know, a camera, whether it’s photography or videography, from Production Direction, all the way up to just if you already have the whole idea, you just need me to hold the camera. A ton of things. Our main focus and what we do like for our channel is just documenting cryptocurrency and the blockchain revolution. We do we do a lot of different words as far as you know, the companies we work with commercials and things of that nature.
Rob McNealy
Where would you like to see yourself as in your business say five years 10 years? What would you What would be your goals?
Timothy Robinson
So we have really big aspirations.We right now are South Florida’s largest growing media company, which is cool. And I want to keep adding on to that. So in five years, I’d like to be a major news outlet for cryptocurrency with you know, multiple people in multiple parts of the world, gathering content and doing interviews and you know, really figuring out who is to be trusted and and, you know, who we can verify as a as a good person with good intentions. Sometimes.
Rob McNealy
Big goals are I think important, and I think the fact that you even have them says a laugh because so many people don’t you know, when you It’s funny. How many kind of startup companies or small companies, yes. What’s your goal? And they can’t even articulate what their goal is. They look like they don’t have a plan. And to me if you don’t have a plan, you can execute a plan. Where can people find out more about you guys?
Timothy Robinson
So probably the best place is following us on social media. Obviously bits and tokens calm is there has links to everything. So you’ll be able to find this all just by scrolling through that page. And then you can find some of our services and stuff like that on there as well. But yeah, probably social media is the best place we’re all really active on social media, especially mean Annalise, one of the other co founders here. So my my handle on Twitter is BTC weatherman. And then her handle is Annalise underscore BMT and the spelling is a and and a lie, se. And then, yeah, just find this on Twitter and reach out and say hi. We’re real friendly. We love making friends. So that’s what this is about is just meeting people and growing together and pushing forward for the same goal.
Rob McNealy
Wonderful, Tim, thank you so much for coming on today.
Timothy Robinson
Oh, absolutely. It was a blast. Thanks for having me.
Rob McNealy
We’ll do it again. Thank you.
Timothy Robinson
Yeah, for sure. Do you later.