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David Liebowitz – Everipedia Transcript
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Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Hey folks Rob McNealy here. And today I am super excited we are talking to David Leibowitz, he is the Vice President of Business Development for ever pedia. And ever pedia is this new online not so new anymore, but it’s an online encyclopedia similar to Wikipedia, but it’s built on blockchain. And that’s what really gets me excited about these kind of new applications. So, David, welcome to the show. How are you today?
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
I’m doing great. Thank you for having me, Rob. Really excited to be here.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Well, I’m excited to have you here too, because I’ve been a big fan of your project now and tell me a little bit one. Let’s go I always like to back it up. Yeah, who are you? And I’m not gonna ask you how did you get into bitcoin? But how did you get into tech? How did
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
How I get into tech? It happened really by accident really, very naturally. So I’m originally from New Jersey. I grew up in the northeast went to school in Massachusetts, and I’ve always been a writer I got really good at writing in college, and that’s what originally led me to ever pedia. So I wrote a different blog. I’ve always been on the internet and stuff. And then ever pedia kind of came out to me out of nowhere. And I just started writing ever pedia pages, the encyclopedia entries. I’ve never pedia so I write about, you know, current events, you know, you know, I would call them evergreen pages. So I wrote a lot of like about up and coming musicians. I like I was doing a good enough of a job. They’re like, Hey, why don’t you move out to LA? I’m like, sure. like four years ago, I bought a one way ticket to LA. just sent it in September 2016. And I was there for four years. You know, I was just a writer. I was just making pages on stuff. We all live in this apartment in LA outside of UCLA. It was really like the Facebook movie. You know, everybody was living in that house. It was like that in an apartment. You know, the living room was the office. And then we kind of got pulled into crypto. We saw this opportunity in 2017 2018. You know, aetherium was getting hot. You know, smart contracts. We’re getting interest and we’re like, hey, like why don’t we make a decentralized transparent A mutable version of an encyclopedia if you want to really be a next generation encyclopedia, so I kind of hung around for the ride, as we know, we raised money. We got like a new office. And as ever pedia grew, I grew along with it. And so I was, you know, I’ve always been a social person, I’m really, you know, love talking to people meeting people. You know, we met, we only met like, on Saturday or Sunday as Friday on Twitter, and then we went shooting the other day, and it was a lot of fun. So I’ve always been a networker like that. And so, you know, I slowly got into more business stuff. There’s partnerships than exchanges, I got partnerships with anybody ranging from brave browser to a few years ago, I got partnership with the biggest teach in the world excision. So I’ve always been really good at that. And then, you know, got to work on exchanges. And now I’m doing PR, and it was really like, really a, I feel like it just happened so fast from being just an executive editor to being Vice President of Business Development. So it happened very naturally and very fast. And that’s how I got involved in tech.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
So all those functions that you’ve been doing all those different kind of roles that you’ve been growing into which was your favorite so far and which was your least favorite so far?
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
My favorite I think has to do with PR cuz I you know, I love telling stories and with PR you’re really telling the narrative of ever pedia and what we’re doing and you know, so that’s been my favorite so far, partnerships is up there too. It’s always partnerships. I’ve what I love about partnerships, it’s a lot of work, but it pays off so much in the end like it took you know, it takes you know, time and patience and you know, it’s just the same thing you’re trying to construct a narrative so you know, how is this partnership you know, mutually beneficial to you know, who you want to work with and to you know, who I work with every pedia so you know that’s definitely up there to me when you get the partnership I remember when we got the brave browser partnership. I was in Las Vegas up watching we can it’s just like such like a is definitely one of the crowning achievements of my career so far. probably my least favorite. I still like it, though, is dealing with exchanges and stuff just because you know, it’s just you have a cryptocurrency you understand what it’s like to do, and whatnot. But you know, I actually even though it’s my least favorite, I got like a ton of experience in there between, you know, dealing with people in negotiating standing your ground, knowing your worth. So even though you know, you learn a lot dealing with exchanges. Yeah.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
And you and I talked offline about that, the trials of tribulation. And you know, one of the things that I thought was interesting about crypto is that, you know, I’ve been in business a long time, I’ve been an entrepreneur for a long time. And it’s like doing dealing with crypto. It’s like different than a normal startup, like, especially a decentralized project. So it’s like this weird hybrid mash up between being a nonprofit. This is how I always kind of describe a crypto decentralized project. It’s kind of like a nonprofit, kind of like a co op. And then you’re a publicly traded Company basically, at the same time, your global company, and you got all those things in the mix. And even as someone who’s, you know, done a lot of startups and stuff, all that a lot of that stuff is new to me too.
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
And it’s funny, we don’t need it. This is my first time really in business and stuff. And so this is what this is what I’m used to, and it’s such it’s such a nexus of all these different things that you were saying, you know, and it’s just really you know, and the thing was crypto evolves so fast, it’s so easy to get left behind and even if you don’t pay attention for a few months, hell like I was I wasn’t really paying attention this weekend because I was just, you know, driving down here and I felt like I missed so much over the weekend. So you always have to be on your toes and crypto.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Oh and stuff is definitely changing. So you said when you first went to ever pedia they weren’t blockchain based.
No we weren’t we were just the normal website. You know, I’ll give you a little bit of background ever pedia. However PDS start in a little bit before that. So I don’t know if your listeners know but early And Wikipedia is history was a lot more egalitarian site, you know, there were a lot more open. So you know, pages being made about different kinds of subjects, they definitely had exponential growth over those first 10 years. And you had two camps of editors develop, develop. So you had your inclusiveness, which lead, Hey, everybody can have a page, if it’s a stub, it can be improved. And then you had your delicious, which we’re like, No, we got to be restrictive, we have to have requirements, they want it, you know, they want it to be that, that kind of way. And so around 2010, the Jewishness went out, and if you noticed, you know, kind of the editors, you know, cats off around 10 K, their pages capped off around 6 million, they had much slower growth, and pages that were being included on Wikipedia. And so they became a lot more strict and they had these notability requirements. And you know, there’s a lot of, you know, different complaints about their community and being toxic and all that you can look all that up on Google. So there’s definitely like an opportunity for an alternative to arise. And so that’s really how every pedia is came about in 2015. As you know, more inclusiveness, friendly, open minded version of an encyclopedia, a new way to do knowledge. And Paul Graham said in in 2010, there’s room to do to Wikipedia. Wikipedia did Encyclopedia Britannica. So I see ever pedia in that same element right there.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Well, it’s interesting, and I am not an ego test. But, you know, I’ve done a lot of things in my life. I mean, I was even a congressional candidate back in 2010. And, you know, worked on a lot of different projects and
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
..so much stuff, honestly, like you told me the other day, “I owned a liquor store, I did that.”
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
But I could never get a Wikipedia page like I wasn’t and it was funny because I was never notable enough by their standards, like, it was like, and not that I cared like, it wasn’t a big deal to me, but it was like to me though, it’s like, and I’ve met a couple Wikipedia kind of editors, and they wield a tremendous amount of power over that.
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
Oh yeah, yeah, no they do. It’s it’s pretty abdurd how much power like these, uh, not me, not these unknown anonymous people have. And they’re, you know, Wikipedia is one of the top 10 websites in the world.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Right. And so there’s, there’s a lot of power in that. So you could you can change narratives with that. You can control narratives with that. And then there’s no accountability. And, and so to me, I’ve interacted with, like, you know, the founder of Wikipedia, on social media over the years and stuff and, and it’s clear that there’s a huge left leaning bias, not only by the founders, but the editors. And so and so to me, it’s like, you know, and again, it’s not that big of a deal to me, but I do see that as a problem is that if because they are such a powerful site? I mean, if you get a wiki page, that’s one of the first, you know, that’s one of the first pages that comes up
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
that is one of the best. Yeah,
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Right. And then in you know, a lot of the search engines also we’ll do a, you know, they’ll do a little excerpt from Wikipedia. And so to me, it’s like, you know, it’s what I just frustrates me. And and, you know, I, you know, we’ve talked a lot. I mean, I’m socially very tolerant, and you know, on some things very liberal, some things very conservative. I’m an independent minded guy. And it’s like, even but the conservative side of me goes, you know, it’s not right, that they’re there. They’re basically stifling opinions. They just don’t like. And so, yeah, so that’s what excites me..
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
The way they frame certain people and it’s undeserved. And they and the problem is the people that are framed a certain way, they can’t go in and change it because they’re not allowed to edit their own page.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Right. And that’s, that’s part of the problem. You know, I know I’m not gonna say who it is, but I do know, a crypto editor for Wikipedia. And he is about his left leaning is it Can you come and I’m like, why are you in crypto because crypto seems like the whole nature of crypto it seems a lot more libertarian to me. I mean that that at least that’s where I think you know that whole cipher funk you know, you know passed that drove a lot of this was very libertarian and cap, you know, kind of in that war world and then I’ve definitely seen like over the last, you know, three, four years as crypto becomes you know, really entrenched with the more Silicon Valley software world that whole left leaning thing is coming in and really kind of you know permeating so anyways it’s not supposed to be a political thing but you know, telling stories can be political so ever pedia How are you different from Wikipedia when it comes to that kind of notability and things of that nature?
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
Yeah, I like to think of ever pedia as the up and coming wiki and culture. So you know in what happened in 2010 between 2010 and now get a rise of influencers and YouTubers and all these people As you know, either millions of subscribers or hundreds of thousands of followers and whatnot, you know, people are searching for these people. But there isn’t a good scholarly wiki, maybe, you know, you’ll get like a click Beatty like wiki page that’s just for SEO, but you won’t really get a good quality page. And so that’s where we’re really ever pedia thrive. And for a long time, like that’s where we got a lot of our traffic. We also imported all of Wikipedia as well. So, you know, we had we had Wikipedia, I sometimes I like to think of every PDS of supplements in Wikipedia in a way. And now recently, we’ve been really doing a push to focus on cryptocurrency and blockchain content. So how you were talking about TUSC with me the other day, and you want to focus on just the gun industry. And really now that vertical like we decided for the best way for us to grow is to focus on cryptocurrency content, because that’s where we seem to get, you know, a lot of engagement on social media, you know, that’s where we get a lot of like new visitors to your site. That’s how we attract a lot of new editors as well. And so that’s where we’re really focusing on right now. But I’ve always thought of us as you know, up and coming with the culture instead. That.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
So tell me about the economics?
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
Oh yeah, the token economics. So Ivor pedia runs on the IQ token and I really consider that the skin in the game for ever pedia. So in order to create a page or edit the site, you have to put up IQ. That’s the name of our token. So you put up 50 iq. So let’s say Rob, you want to edit your own page, you see the mistakes. And so you know, you edit your page, you make your changes, you submit the IQ and then there’s a 12 hour voting period where people vote with their IQ tokens whether to approve an edit or reject an edit. If it’s approved, you know, then you actually get rewarded newly minted IQ tokens if it’s rejected, then those IQ tokens are locked for a period of time.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
And are they traded somewhere?
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
Yes. So if you want to edit the site and get involved and also we have predict as well as our prediction market platform, which we can get into later, were traded on binance trade on okay x we’re traded on Bitcoin next up it in Korea. some pretty big exchanges if you want to get involved.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
So where do you see the possibilities in the future? What like what is the roadmap look like forever PDF.
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
So we’re really doing a big defy push, we see that, you know, in 2019, we actually launched our prediction market platform with predict. I call it the augur of iOS. And you were like, oh, but it’s a prediction market have to do with, you know, Encyclopedia, I think, you know, there are two sides to this same coin. Well, every pedia you know, is to circle knowledge and past knowledge, you know, people using the knowledge to contribute to these pages that are, you know, on the record, predicted future knowledge and people using you know, that what they know, to kind of anticipate future events and get, you know, reward if they’re right. And so, I see with a future push where, you know, we’ve been really building predicts out it’s a super clean platform. And then we want to add like a few new defy primitives and slowly evolved that out. So you know, we’re looking into Oracle’s as well having on Knowledge like that all this has to do with on chain knowledge. So Oracle’s and then possibly having, you know, synthetic assets, leverage, we’re, you know, we’re trying to explore all these different things, we actually have a, you know, we actually have a fund dedicated to funding these projects. So we have our IQ fund, where we committed over a million dollars worth of tokens to funding projects that have to do with everything I just said. So if any of you listeners are interested, they’re welcome to reach out to us.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
So you said that you’re based on iOS 10? Is that correct?
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
Yes, yes, we’re based on iOS.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Why did you choose the EOS blockchain?
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
A few reasons: One at the time, you know, to edit, you know, the problem is that they’re going back in 2017 2018. And so to this day, are the transaction you know, you know, everybody that deals with uniswap now, didn’t notice like the transaction fees and you know, the, you know, all the problems with their fees, you know, transactions and whatnot, speed and fees and whatnot. And so if you were to make an edit and every time you had to pay like a few bucks and make an edit, that’s doesn’t make economic sense. Both As you know, it’s you know, free, you know, free transactions and, and it just made much more sense for a consumer products like everipedia to be built on iOS than it would be to be built on it there. But there isn’t there yet for for that kind of debt. And also, we just got support from within the EOS community. They’re really excited about it from you know, people that are EOS token holders to like people high up in the EOS VC world. So we actually raised $30 million from EOS VCs and 2018 from galaxy digital. They were super excited about the project. So between, you know, the technical capabilities and the support we got, it just was only logical for us to build on iOS.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
So right now, you mentioned that people can go through and vote on you know, whether or not to approve and edit or things like that. Is there a way that people can make money doing that kind of thing and breastfeeding on the platform?
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
Yeah, so the tokens are, you know, they have a monetary value. So we’ve had a few editors that are some power editors that have made it You know, hundreds, if not thousands of dollars worth of IQ tokens, especially if they held on to it over, you know, over the past year, we’ve been live since 2018. And so which is really cool. Do you think think about all the blockchain projects that constraints have in 2018, they were just a white paper and just never launched a product like we’ve been live even, you know, kind of, we’ve been through the store in the valley of the bear market. And, you know, now we’re just attracting more editors, there’s people like that want to get involved.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
And you know, that’s really fun. I like the the platforms that I see now that are starting to evolve like ever pedia in library and some of these, you know, hives, were in brave browser and to me, personally, other than what I’m doing with TUSC those apps right now, to me are the shining stars in crypto.
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
I couldn’t agree more.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
And the market, I don’t believe is fully appropriately valuating those projects that are valuing those projects yet. I think that’ll come But to me, I see that as the future and the fact that you have users and you have a product and you have sustainable built in economics on the platform. That, to me is a winning combination. And I hope that with our own product tests that we get to that point, we’re definitely working on that. But I really like what you guys are doing with your tokenomics. And I think that that’s going to be the future. And I think ultimately, projects like ever pedia are going to be major major block chains and major major projects. I would expect it you’ll be in the top 20 next year in the next couple of years. No doubt about that, in my mind.
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
Yeah, I think the same way between what we have built the killer scene that we have, like we wouldn’t have been able to gone this far if we didn’t have just, you know, such a great team all around that everybody’s just so committed to the project and development and you mentioned brave browser before I would love to talk about our partnership with them. It actually fits really well with our ethos. So you know, I was thinking like, Well, you know, we’re We really fit well a with pages, you know, that are not novo enough with Wikipedia, but these people still need to be recognized. And so with brave browser, we have this partnership. One part of it is we have our brave creator of the day. And so you know, brave browser has all these different Yep, hundreds and thousands of people signed up accepting praise tips. But a lot of people in the bat community don’t know who to tip they don’t know where to start to, like, find people to support. And so with our brave creator of the day, we provide that so every, you know, every Tuesday and Thursday, will tweet out a brave creator of the day. And, you know, they’ll, you know, we get tons of streamers as they’re very creative. They, you know, we get, you know, analysts we get all kinds of different people become a very creative the day it’s got, you know, the brave community really likes it, the bat community, you know, they always hype when they see somebody on Reddit like, Oh, this is something new that we can support. So, you know, the brave team has really liked it. It’s been really beneficial for us, so far is beneficial to them as well. They really see it as a tool to help you know, promote their community within their community. And with us, we’ve been able to, you know, get free advertising some brave browser. And so we’ve been able to recruit editors that way as well.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Perfect. It’s really good stuff and I’m glad to see somebody really taking charge in this space. David, where can people find out more about you and ever PDF?
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
Yeah, so you can find out about me I’m on Twitter at at Dave said that underscore on Instagram at doing things underscore forever PDF, you can go at every pedia on Twitter, definitely join our group at everipedia. And, you know, no, come say hi. You know, we’re always you know, we’re always looking for new people. We’re very welcoming computed community, make a pacer yourself make a page for you know, somebody you look up to you. You know, we’re here.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
David, thank you for so much for coming on and spending time with me today. Appreciate your time here. Thank you so much. No problem. Hey, there’s Rob McNealy here. I will have all of David’s so And all those links up at Rob McNealy calm make sure you mash that subscribe button. Review us on iTunes. let your friends know how great we are. We really appreciate it. Let him know. Alright guys, you have a great day. Thank you.
David Liebowitz – Everipedia
Thank you
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David Liebowitz talks with Rob McNealy about Everipedia, Dapps, crypto and censorship of free speech.
Scott Cunningham – Crypto & Things Transcript
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Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Now, welcome to the program. Hey folks, Rob McNealy here and today I am excited. I’m talking to Scott Cunningham. He is the social media influencer host of the crypto things podcast. He’s got a huge following all over the internet. He talks a lot about a lot of different crypto stuff, a lot of the business stuff. So I’d like to welcome to the show. Scott, how are you today?
Scott Cunningham
I’m doing great. Thank you so much for having me on.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
I appreciate you coming on. I’ve enjoyed speaking to you in the past and I think our audience will gain a lot of valuable knowledge hearing about you or from you. So before we get started, kind of can you give a little bit of background about how you got into the crypto And how you got into publishing about crypto stuff.
Scott Cunningham
Yeah, absolutely. So I unfortunately got in just before the big crash in at the end of 2017. I invested a bunch, I was just getting into it. And and then the big crash happened. So I realized I wasn’t the greatest that investing. But I was curious to see what other ways blockchain could be used. And as a social media marketer, I thought, you know, how could this be? How could this work for social media, so not long after of, you know, looking around for a while I found steam. And that was kind of the only platform at the time. So I started posting on there figuring what you know what it was all about. And then I realized there was a lack of educational material on like, how to use it, and just like teaching people about the actual different platforms. So from there, I started doing tutorials I started just like learning A lot more. And then maybe about six months after that I started to expand and look for other platforms. And since then I’ve just spent a lot of time exploring new platforms, doing reviews, and interviewing different people from those companies and organizations.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
So of all the different platforms that you’ve kind of been looking at, you mentioned that you started off on the social media marketing side. How are the crypto related publishing platforms different than the traditional older school kind of social media publishing platforms?
Scott Cunningham
Yeah, so there is a range I would say of like, how centralized how decentralized, how much are they actually using the blockchain and posting on the blockchain? So there’s definitely a spectrum. So for example, real quick publish yo x is somewhat centralized in that they have like moderators, and they’re not posting to the blockchain, but they are crypto monetize where You can earn cryptocurrency from the platform, not so. So there’s a there’s a big discrepancy where people think that you have to give other people crypto on these platforms where most of the time you’re actually earning it from the platform and you don’t have to rely on like donations from other people. And, and publish Oh x is really good for that. And then if we look at, you know, on the other side of things like something like hive or library, where all the content exists on the blockchain, and it’s completely decentralized, and so, so that’s kind of like the two sides of the spectrum. And, you know, there’s many in between but the the big difference between most blockchain platforms is the sort of values that go into why they were created, and a lot of that is transparency, open source, free speech. As I mentioned before, decentralized Which is just taking a look getting some of the control away from the platforms and dispersing more of the control. And the way that the platform is used amongst all of the people. So that, like, for example, again, hive and steam, don’t have moderators, a lot of the moderation is done by the community. So that’s another example of decentralization. And kind of the big thing is that, I mean, another thing is censorship to that’s one of the biggest motivations right now why people are switching over to new platforms, because they are very free speech. I mean, I will say this, right? Not every blockchain platform is, you know, free speech focus. And it’s not like they’re always going to be all of these things. But that’s generally why a lot of them are created, and a lot of them do follow that, you know, those values. The rule is not, you know, there obviously are exceptions to the rule. But but that’s kind of the The main reason why a lot of these platforms exist and, and what makes them extremely different from legacy platforms and and then aside from that monetization, it’s very, very challenging for people to monetize on regular platforms. I’ve been posting on YouTube for almost three years, and I haven’t made anything I still can’t even start to monetize yet. And if we look at a platform like library, for example, the very first day as a viewer or a creator, you could start earning from the very first day. So I think there is there’s a lot of people who are empowered by that. And when you see that you can start earning from day one, you actually have value that you can extract and provide and actually get, like both sides get the value. That’s the best part, right? If you’re watching or creating, you’re going to earn something and you kind of get that value back for your own time that you’ve invested and the attendance That you’ve put to those platforms.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
So you’d say there’s like kind of two categories of interest. One would be the censorship that a lot of these legacy platforms are obviously exerting over the content from the publishers. But the other side is the monetization side, which cryptocurrency seems to make that a lot easier. Let’s back up a little bit. Why are the legacy platforms doing those two things? Do you have any insights on the monetization piece or the censorship piece?
Scott Cunningham
Yeah, so I mean, I mean, quite simply, we can we could say with monetization, they want more money, right? So if advertisers are advertising on your content, regardless, if you have higher restrictions to actually be an advertiser, like to have those advertisements and get paid from them, then YouTube is going to keep more of the money at the end of the day. The second reason is, YouTube has become like, I’m just going to use YouTube usually as an example, because it’s most well known for censorship. But they they want. They’re beholden to their advertisers. So if advertisers say, you know, we don’t want our videos showing up on this or on this, they continually keep making those changes, and they make the allowed spectrum of content narrower and narrower. Every single year, just in the past year, we saw changes with commercial viability where essentially YouTube said, if we deem that your channel is not commercially viable, which almost any channel could be said to be that if you’re talking about something that they don’t want you to talk about, or you’re not even able to monetize yet, like myself, technically, I’m not commercially viable. So they could terminate my channel at any time just under those grounds. And then in January, we saw the changes with the compact which essentially made it so that You can’t make video content that is directed towards children. And it was further advertising. It was all around their advertising. But the consequences of that are all of the younger youtubers can’t make money anymore because obviously their their audience is is other young people as well. So people doing gaming videos, kids who do reviews, there’s like five year olds who do reviews of toys, and they had big channels, because obviously they’re doing it with their, their parents are their family. But not all of those are being demonetised child celebrities can’t make money anymore. Lots of things have changed. And what we’ve seen because of that, is a lot of content has aged up on YouTube. So people who previously made content for kids are now making more adult content and and it’s very, very weird. The the range of what is allowed, right because YouTube’s basically saying with these changes that we want you to make your content more adult because if it could be directed to a younger audience, then it might not be allowed to be monetized. So now everyone is like, introducing like, like trying to make their stuff more adult casually swearing more and stuff like that. But then on the other side, you might hit the point of not being commercially viable because you’re too adult. So they keep making that that spectrum more and more challenging to fit within. And, and when they do, you know, strikes or terminate channels. It’s very, you don’t really have much time to react and it’s kind of just like it’s done. And you can try to email with them, but usually, not a lot happens there. So we saw a lot of that happen with the crypto purge, but luckily, a lot of them, a lot of the channels and things were restored. But you know, there’s a lot of people who still have like two strikes now and They’re really concerned that they might get kicked off at any time from like YouTube.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
You know, I don’t like to go down necessarily like the conspiracy theorist route and you know, as well as I do that there’s a lot of people in this space that automatically go down to like the it’s a big conspiracy. And I’m not saying that conspiracies don’t exist, right. But I don’t necessarily believe there is diabolical as people want them to believe they are. But it definitely seems to me that I look at these the censorship and the D monetization. It’s almost like a typical lifestyle or lifecycle of like a large corporation, right? The bigger these you know, these players get, the more rigid they become the more antiquated, the lower the slower they move, the slower they adapt, and ultimately, it opens up opportunities for startups. And you know, because they’ve created like this vacuum now I have a friend of mine that runs Do you are you familiar with Utah Gun Exchange or UGETube.com?
Scott Cunningham
No I’m not.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
It’s a it’s a it’s a gun related video streaming site I’m friends with the owner of it. And we have a lot of conversations about all this kind of stuff because he’s a big believer in free speech and and things and and it’s interesting to me it’s at it’s it’s like this is creating these openings now for these startups that even three years ago you couldn’t consider it there was no chance to these big channels would even consider you know, these big YouTubers or what have you wouldn’t consider moving platforms because they had a really good thing going three years ago. I myself also I can’t monetize on YouTube at all. It just doesn’t even make sense. And I’ve had my YouTube channel for like a decade. And you know, I’m just for all the same reasons you’re struggling with. They’re just wanting to consider it. Whereas platforms like library you know, like Day one, you can start making money. And and I think ultimately that’s going to drive a big chunk of the market to these new platforms. And I wonder if the corporations understand that’s what they’re going through. This is like a pretty common like, lifecycle problem that a lot of big companies have you think they worried about it? Do you think they understand this is happening? Or do you think they’re just so blinded by their own little missions that they’re not even paying attention?
Scott Cunningham
Yeah, I mean, here’s the thing, like, I think they know, but then it comes down to, okay, how much of our money would we really be willing or our revenue or income? How much of that would we be willing to then sacrifice and put into, you know, making a cryptocurrency or, or even just making monetization easier again, how much would they really be willing to cut? And do they think in the long run that that will work? I mean, from our side, we think No, we think they’re going to go out of business because of this, but they might look at it like, okay, like these other platforms have a million users, 2 million users, this isn’t a problem. This isn’t a problem. That’s probably what like blockbuster was thinking at at the beginning. But you know, as they get further and further down the rabbit hole, or or, you know, too far into wherever they’re going, I think they’re going to maybe notice in hindsight, but I don’t know if it’ll be too late. By that time. You know, an interesting conspiracy theory that I thought, like, I find it interesting is that YouTube was trying to get rid of all the crypto youtubers so that they could then come out with YouTube coin or something like that. And then it’d be no one who would be critically able to like, analyze it or have an opinion on it. I thought that was pretty funny and interesting if that did happen. But yeah, I mean, the problem is then they get to this point where it’s like It just doesn’t seem it’s not even in there. I don’t even think they’re looking at blockchain. I don’t think there’s a lot of people in there who understand it or value it. And, you know, even if people from YouTube or twitch decide to make a blockchain while they already have a, for example, like I don’t want to knock a specific blockchain on your podcast, but I’ll say this, a co founder from YouTube and a co founder from twitch left and made a new blockchain, but there’s a lot of problems with it that are similar to the problems with YouTube. So I don’t think if they did make a cryptocurrency or blockchain, that it would actually be what people are looking for. And I think it would still be just as centralized, you know, all the same issues that they’re having, you know, they would still censor and they wouldn’t pay the cryptocurrency to specific people based on you know, political views or whatever it might be. I think they would still have all of these same problems. So they wouldn’t be able to effectively implement the blockchain or cryptocurrency in the way that other platforms are doing in the way that would make sense. Because they would be kind of skirting all the values and the reasons to even have it where they could just continue doing monetization in a database. And maybe that’s what they’re thinking now, but I’m not totally sure, obviously.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Yeah, it’s pretty interesting. Like, Gab is another social media platform that forked a couple of their platforms. And they kind of cater more to the kind of alt right kind of world. And for those that are not all right, but on Gab, I’m not trying to December from under the bus. But it’s interesting, though, that the founder of Gab is also very, and one hand he’s very pro free speech. But on the other hand, he’s got his own very strange look at different things and how he wants to have people on this platform which is kind of funny.
Scott Cunningham
When you get into like the the Gab and anti porn kind of debacle.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
It’s just like really? You know, you can talk about all the Jews and the Zionists and all the other stuff and but but porns No, no, it’s like, Man people got priorities issues. But that’s I do.
Scott Cunningham
Yeah, yeah, no, sir I do have I do have an interesting opinion on on on that because I do fully respect free speech, but I don’t know if I would consider pornography free speech and, you know, I’m no I totally understand the argument from both sides though. But the way that I would look at it, or the way that I’ve sort of approached this is free speech is anything that you can say or do in a public square that is legal Can you have sex or be nude and do all that kind of stuff in a public square? I’m not sure could you legally put a pornographic in image on a town bulletin board? I don’t think so. You know that that’s the way that I look at it. And I think it makes sense sort of what he’s doing. But he’s making a religious argument. That’s the problem. I think it was his like premise. That was the problem. He wasn’t saying, Oh, I don’t actually think this is free speech. So I don’t think this is like a problem for social media. He was saying, This is like, immoral or so like, I get that. I think that’s that’s kind of the issue that he went about it. But my personal view, is that like, I would say that it’s not necessarily the same thing, but I can understand why people would feel that it is. And I fully respect to the free speech argument that all speech is is free speech.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Oh, absolutely. And I’m not giving an opinion one way or the other on it. I just think it’s kind of ironic, but the but the whole need I think it’s there’s a little bit of hypocrisy when you form a whole network. That’s supposed to be anti censorship. Then you have censorship, you know, for whatever reason, you know, and I think that’s that’s the interesting part of this. There’s a big spectrum out there, I guess, with some of the stuff what people are willing to tolerate and what they want don’t want with these different platforms. I have to say that, you know, even with the big social media outlets out there, like Facebook and the Twitter’s of the world, you know, it’s interesting, like they have a real issue with crypto. And I understand, you know, two and a half years ago, when there was so many, arguably illegal Icos and there were so many scams, I can understand why you may not want that on your platform as far as advertising, right, I can see the argument but things have changed a lot. The whole market has matured a lot. There’s a lot more clarity, even you know, from a year ago, there’s a lot more clarity in the market right now than there was you know, a couple years ago, but it’s interesting, like there’s no rhyme or Reason, or it seems like there’s a lot of arbitrary kind of decision making on what’s good and what’s bad when it comes to these platforms. So for instance, on Facebook, not too long ago, I posted something to a regular URL. It was an update for a project for a crypto project. It wasn’t spam, it wasn’t selling anything. It was just a straight up announcement. And somebody in one of the groups post, you know, obviously, they reported it for whatever reason. And now that URL to that update, like the whole domain is completely banned from both Instagram and Facebook. And there’s no way to appeal. There’s there’s no way to email anybody to appeal it. It just says this violates the our code or community standards, and that’s it, you can’t even respond. And it’s like, that’s devastating. That could be devastating economically to a lot of different projects, a lot of different things. And so it’s like, I think that’s where a lot of people get frustrated is that they don’t know what the rules were. Are Yeah, there’s Yeah, the guidance is just so generic and so arbitrary. And you got some, you know, sensor in some room in some warehouse somewhere going, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. And and you don’t have any control over it. And I’m not a big fan of, you know, making these platforms, you know, utilities, you know, there’s a lot of call for that, right? Where they want to make it so the government can regulate it. And, you know, individuals don’t have, you know, control over their businesses anymore. But on the other end, I think from a customer service standpoint, I think they’re gonna hurt themselves long term. And I do think that’s where these other publishing platforms are going to thrive.
Scott Cunningham
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And to that point, minds.com if you ever used the URL in any way, even to the point where I had a YouTube video that said mines.com in the title that I couldn’t post to Facebook. So if and this was for a good year and a half, I believe, where if you tried to post anything to Facebook, it would say, this is a I can’t remember exactly what it said. But it said like you need to type in a CAPTCHA for this to actually post. And then if anyone would tried to share it or do anything comment, you had to type in a CAPTCHA type in a CAPTCHA. So no one’s doing that. And, and even if you did, I got it was to the point where I would send myself sometimes I would send myself a message on Facebook just so I can get it on my phone. I send myself a message to one of my own posts on mines. And then I look at my phone and it’s like message removed from your messages for violating the guidelines. And I’m like, I can’t even send myself a private message that includes a mines URL, but you know, now they just allow it. So for all I know, one person reported it a year ago. That’s all it took for a full year of completely blocking out this, this one site. And, yeah, it’s crazy. It really just seems like on legacy platforms. It’s not about the rules anymore. It’s about who’s offended. How many reports are there on that thing? Because a lot of times, it’s like, Where’s the actual violation? It’s like, Well, a lot of people were upset about this and it’s like, okay, and I reviewed the community guidelines on Facebook about like a year ago. And I remember there was this huge outcry when Facebook changed part of their community guidelines to say something along the lines of if someone is determined to be I can’t remember exactly what it was but it was just like a something individual maybe like a dangerous or or something. But but it was by the news, not by like law or anything like that. They would excuse any kind of like illegal thing on Facebook so like if if someone was claimed to be such and such people on Facebook were allowed to give death threats and all this stuff that is otherwise illegal, but they were accepted for you know all this stuff and I think it was actually around the time of the Covington kids and I think that’s why cuz there was a lot of celebrities saying things like openly calling further death like like very popular blue check verified million follower Twitter users were saying things like put them all back into school and burn the whole school down and those tweets were allowed to stay whereas tweets that say things like I don’t know. Like Laura Loomer, I think was the one who said but but is he a man or is she a man though or something like that? But are you a man though it was something about gender and and her whole count was like deleted instantly where someone can make open death threats, and then they get their stuff can stay up. So it’s very bias and it’s very, it’s very ad hoc, there’s no real baseline of rules or standards that people can refer to. And that’s why a lot of people want these new solutions because the rules are more clear cut, or it’s kind of just like open free speech, everyone kind of free for all because either of those are better than at any point you can have all of your progress in all of your money investment, everything taken away, because I’m sure those people who have tons of followers have probably done ads on Twitter. If you’ve done ads on Facebook, you know, people have invested money into these on top of, you know, years and years of time. And then that could all just be taken away. Really like just just like that and and there’s like barely any appeal process or anything to try to get that back. So yeah, it’s a it’s it’s pretty crazy what they’re doing online. Legacy platforms.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
You know, it seems to me like, there’s just a lot of political virtue signaling coming from these corporations. And I know it’s kind of controversial, but the gun issue, right, like there’s a big chain called Dick’s Sporting Goods down here in the States. And they pulled all their guns out of the stores, you know, and they lost like their quarterly filings last year have been like they’ve lost hundreds of millions of dollars. And it’s interesting to me is that I tell people, I really missed the days when I didn’t know the politics of the companies that I bought things from. Like, I like that, you know, because I just want good service. Like if I want to buy something, give me good service, but it seems like in the last couple of years, and I think it’s probably in the last three years, especially but really the last two years is that it seems like there’s all these like left leaning companies that I didn’t know they’re left leaning until recently have just come out of the woodwork to like start basically, I hate the But virtue signaling they’re, you know, they’re like all of them. It’s like the gun you know? It’s like sales force comm fired all their gun dealers Shopify the shopping cart sell software fired all the gun related kind of dealers off their site I mean I don’t understand why like a sales you know CRM tool company cares if a gun related sporting goods company uses their software or not like that to me is just insane and you know the the business guy and he’s, you know starts asking questions like is this good for shareholders kind of thing but I also look at it from the business standpoint that there’s opportunities now because of that and I just don’t understand like, you know, you hear with jack right with Twitter everybody in the crypto space loves jack for some reason and I don’t know why. Because of cash app but but you look at how jack treats krypto on Twitter, you know, in Twitter ads and things like that. And it’s like he is not a friend of decentralization at all. You know, and in fact, if you look at most of these legacy platforms, decentralization destroys them, in many respects, it kills their business models. So it’s gonna be interesting to see long term, how this plays out. Do you think that they’ll shift gears back to being, you know, with the advent of this, all these additional platforms and competition? Do you think that’ll push them back toward being a little more objective? Or do you think they’re just gonna ride this to the bottom?
Scott Cunningham
I, I’m 99% sure. I’m not sure but I’m 99% betting on the fact that they’re going to ride this to the bottom. I don’t think they’re going to pull back. A large reason of why they’ve done a lot of that Like massive changes is to appeal to Chinese advertisers. And I only think that’s going to be more and more evident. So I don’t think that they’re going to, it wouldn’t be beneficial for them to turn back now, because they’ve already cut off so many people, and they’re going to continue doing that. They’re basically just like trading one audience for another audience. But because the other audience is bigger, they’re happy to do that, because that just means more money. And, and that’s all there. That’s all they’re really going off of now. So I think naturally, there’ll be a massive opening for all these new platforms to fill the void of that, that they’re that they’re creating, by doing all these things. And, you know, it’s it’s challenging for them to turn around and kind of be like, Okay, nevermind, we’ll cut off all these advertisers. And then we’ll just completely switch back to what we were doing before. Because there’s so many people who have a sour taste in their mouth, where they’re like, Yeah, but are you really going to stay this way, like for all we know, this is just for now. And a lot of people still want those new things anyways. And it’s, you still wouldn’t know if in six months from now they completely switch back to what they’re doing now, then you’re screwed, because you trusted them again, even though we really have no reason to trust them. That’s the thing. We have no real reason to trust them anymore. And that’s why blockchain solutions are so important because a lot of them are trust lists. Because we don’t have to rely on a specific person or entity. A lot of them are just, you know, they exist as is. And I think that’s one of the biggest the biggest things that attracts people to the technology because I don’t have to rely on anyone. I don’t have to put my faith in someone to do something for me. I can just rely on the math and then the code.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Well, you know, just since the last time you and I spoke, I actually opened up my own library channel and I am in the process of moving all my YouTube videos or at least synching on my YouTube videos. And now I’m starting to re embed those videos into my site from the library instead of YouTube. Because I just expect long term is that I just don’t trust that YouTube is gonna keep my channel up and I just don’t want to have to go through the mess after they’ve already deleted everything. So I want to thank you for helping me with that. But if you want to check it out at Rob McNealy on library now, that’s where we’re going to be focusing more of our energy just from the fact that maybe it’s not 100% decentralized, but it’s pretty close. And I think the team over there really supports free speech. And so I’m excited about like, just, you know, I’d rather give someone that cares about, you know, the liberties and freedoms that I do. I’d rather give them some business and support their project rather than YouTube because YouTube’s given me nothing. YouTube’s make money off me, but you’ve never given me anything. And it just why am I bothering and I’ve almost given to the, I’ve almost said why don’t I just delete the YouTube channel, but it’s still one of the biggest search engines out there. So I still have to kind of deal with it. But it’s just not going to be where I focus my energy anymore after, you know, after like last week, I’m just done less worrying about it. Because I just think that it’s a legacy dinosaur. So I hope the folks over library win. But I mean, how I mean, you you really track what they’re doing? How is the library’s growth?
Scott Cunningham
Really good. You should see you should see from when they hit a million users in March, and then from March to April, they went to 2.5 million users. So right now their growth is seemingly exponential. If you go over to library nomics, lbr, why and o m ICS, calm. You can see the top hundred or the top 200 channels. But more importantly, if you tab over to the next tab they have it’s all the channels that have ever been called. created all the publications that have ever been posted. It’s all graphed. And they even have specific events like the beginning of the crypto purge the launch of library TVs browser, because they only got the browser, you know, maybe six or seven months ago. So before you could only access it with a downloaded application, then when they got it on to the actual browser, they just took off. And yeah, you can go and see that you can see that it’s like it’s exponential right now. And I wouldn’t be surprised if, you know, by the end of this month, they are at 5 million users. And by the end of the year, 20 million plus, they really seem to just be destroying these milestones. Like you’ve got to consider steam it, I believe I have, after four years had about maybe 2 million, a little over 2 million users and libraries already passed that so you know, and that was the biggest Previously, so So now library is already essentially from what I can tell is the biggest blockchain dap. And yeah, I think it’s just going to keep on going. And, and one of the really good things about library is, you know you’re earning from day one, even the viewers earn I like I just made a post yesterday talking about the unique differences of library compared to other platforms. And one of the biggest most important thing for people is that you get paid via the views. So if I post a link to any other blockchain platform, you need to register and you need to go on and you need to upvote my posts for me to make money. If you watch my library video, regardless, if you register, you could just be on the website and you watch my video, I’m going to make money from that. So when I post it to Twitter, and people go on to hive or steam or anywhere else publish Oh x They’re not likely to sign up and do all this stuff unless they actually are a part of that platform. For the most part, it’s just someone clicking the link and then going to it, they might just read it or look at it or whatever. Like, you don’t have to sign up to medium to view articles on medium. But with library, even if they have or haven’t signed up, you’re still going to make that get that you’re going to get the view count. So you actually know that it’s happening to begin with, because again, with the other ones, you wouldn’t have even known that someone had clicked through and looked at your video or watched it because again, it’s it’s only really tracking like likes and stuff like that. So you can see everything that’s happening, and you’re gonna get paid for everything. So that’s one of the biggest things. I mean, there’s a million other things that I could dive into. But that’s why I’m really passionate about library because they have so much available to the creators and the viewers that is just really beneficial and they just make they have a really good ecosystem.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
So how do they make money? How does They get the money to pay out all this. Is there an ad revenue model in there somewhere?
Scott Cunningham
Yeah, so they just started having an ad model. But the good thing is that currently, the way that it’s set up is that only people who aren’t registered will see ads on the browser. So if you’re logged in, and you’re using it, you shouldn’t see any ads. But if you go on via clicking a link or whatever, like I just sort of outlined, you might see an ad in the newsfeed as you’re scrolling through, but you would never see intrusive like in stream, video ads, skippable ads, anything like that you wouldn’t see, it would just be like you’re scrolling through the newsfeed and there might be like an ad in place of where one of the things might been on the newsfeed so it’s not super intrusive, and it’s only for people who haven’t signed up. So if you you’re annoyed by that, you can always just sign in and then or sign up and then there’s no issue. I don’t know how they’re going To expand that out, but I know that they’re trying to do it in the least intrusive way possible. They obviously know a lot of people are here because they don’t like the way that YouTube does things. So they’re obviously trying to build on that and create something that is sustainable, because obviously, there’ll be a point where, you know, like, where’s the money coming from? And obviously, they have to keep up with that as well.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
So what blockchain did they fork to build it? You know?
Scott Cunningham
I don’t know, for a lot I, from my understanding, I actually think they just like built their blockchain, but I haven’t looked too much into their actual blockchain to know to be like well versed in that.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
One of the other success platforms that I’m seeing out there where there’s crypto monetization, I think is then the brave browser with bat tokens. Yeah. And I you know, I wasn’t sold at first that you know, it’s great. I’m like are great another browser to download but it’s Like I started looking in over the last couple months, I think I got like 50 bucks or something in my brave browser, like wallet and I’m like, yeah, yeah. You know, and it’s like, it’s like, yeah, it’s not a lot. But I mean, if it’s 100 bucks a year or something just from surfing.
Scott Cunningham
And I think that’s interesting. And I think that that model, one, I think is a winner. I think paying people for advertising to them, gives people like, empowers people again, right.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
But I think, but I think it’s an amazing way to get people into crypto. I think it’s slow. But it’s happening and and as a library, it’s like, you know, yeah, YouTube might have paid me if I would have been monetizable in dollars, right. That’s always great. But the fact is, I’m getting you know, I’ve already made like, 30 cents or something on library and I’m all excited. Yeah. I mean, it was like the first revenue ever made for a video. So like, wow, that’s that’s really really kind of cool. And so I think this is how we get adoption. That’s why I tell people make a really good platform, and then add crypto or blockchain to it. But don’t make crypto or blockchain does a thing. It make a real app like, and I say this about game. Like, I think there’s a lot of people out there that in the crypto world, especially like games and stuff like this, and some are good, some are not, but they’re trying to make it all about the crypto instead of making it a really good game, or making it a really good web browser or, you know, make a really good application or that really solves a problem. And focus on that and gaming focus on the game, the ability of it, and I think and just add some monetization to it. And people don’t care about databases and blockchains I mean, they don’t and and so I think those are two winners and so far looking at library and bat and the brave browser. I think those are probably two of the biggest success stories that I’m seeing in crypto right now.
Scott Cunningham
Yeah, I would agree. Yeah. And they do so much to just make your experience better. Like for me on brave browser, I’ve said it so that I only get crypto and technology based ads. So I don’t get all the random pointless ads that I would normally get. You can even like, curate even further by liking the ads that you liked. And then they’ll give you more of that. So I actually have seen like some interesting crypto projects as ads. And you know, not only that they’re very unintrusive. And you can set how many you get at a time, you could just have none. And then there’s also brave creator to where creators can sign up for brave, and then people can tip you on Twitter or YouTube. It’s a sort of a way to integrate crypto into the legacy platforms that are already out there. And I think they’re doing an amazing job of doing that. And kind of getting people on to the brave browser with their onboarding process. And like you said, I think the most important thing is when people start earning crypto, it completely flips their perspective. At first it might have been, oh, I don’t understand this. I don’t trust this. I’m like, they’re gonna take my money. Now it’s, oh my, oh, you’re giving me money? How do I get this money? Oh, I have to create a wallet. Okay, one sec, let me go create a wallet, let me get this money. They’ll do they’ll, if you’re giving them money, they’ll find out how to get that money. And then all these people are going to come in and then they’re going to keep earning money. And they’re like, Why wasn’t I doing this before? So I think that’s how we’ll reach mass adoption. I’ve been saying this for many years that I think social media is the route to mass adoption for blockchain. Because that’s where all the awareness will be. If people are making money for posting a selfie. I think that’s a pretty easy way to realize the potential of cryptocurrency and what blockchain can do for monetizing tension. monetizing content. Pretty much a lot, almost any application in blockchain just improves upon something that we already have, and gives a little more power to the user. Or at least the good projects give a little more power to the user and more control more access more everything, right. They’re trying to remove middlemen and, and just empower the user more. And I think that’s, those are the projects that are going to come on top and stay on top. And projects that get away from that are going to fail. Perfect example of that right now is you know, steam has been kind of going on like it’s been it’s been going down because ever since Justin acquired it, he’s been centralizing it he’s been making it really not what it was meant to be. And they’ve been losing a lot of people and people have been switching over to hive because they are still embodying the original values of steam and people will make Do whatever works best for them. I forgot to mention this earlier. It was either today or yesterday that Joe Rogan, announced he was leaving YouTube. Huge, biggest podcast in the world is leaving YouTube. He’s moving exclusively to Spotify. It would have been amazing if it was like library or something. But that alone is showing people that these platforms are not going to last, if all of the big influencers and creators start to leave. They have nothing to offer their their advertising isn’t useful if there’s no one there. And obviously, you know, it’s it’s going to be slow at first. But with these big people leaving, you know, other people are going to say, Oh, where are they going? I’ll go there. Joe Rogan is on mines.com, for example. So that’s good. He actually had the CEO of Minds on his podcast and we need more of that I mean he probably only knows about mine so if he learned about library maybe he would be on Lbry so you know, as these things grow and get more awareness I think we’ll see a lot more big influencers joining and there already are a lot of really really big influencers on there. And I think it’s only gonna it’s only going to keep growing.
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Perfect Scott Cunningham, where can people find out more about you?
Scott Cunningham
You can find me pretty much anywhere at Scott seed business. Seo TTC be you si n e s s. And I have a podcast called crypto and things you can find that on any podcast platform like apple, podcasts, Spotify, all that good stuff. And yeah, you can find all the rest of my links at my website, Scott see business.com
Rob McNealy – RobMcNealy.com
Thank you so much Scott and Rob McNealy and check us out at RobMcNealy.com. We appreciate you listening.
Scott Cunningham
Thanks for having me.
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Scott Cunningham – Crypto & Things
Scott Cunningham talks with Rob McNealy about social media censorship, free speech and content monetization.